Gacy’s secret tapes reveal relaxed approach to Killer murder – NBC Chicago
It was 1972 and John Gacy had a problem. He must have met his wife to attend a vigil, but he had the body of a young man in his guest room.
“Right in front of the closet, it opens in the basement trap,” Gacy tells his lawyers, Sam Amirante and Bob Motta, on previously unseen tapes. “I opened the trap, and I just threw it over there.”
This hatch of the crawl space of Gacy would become the final destination of the bodies of dozens of young men and boys. In total, the killer would be convicted of the murders of 33 people.
But Gacy had another problem. Before stabbing this victim, he said he was cut in the process. He now had to explain the injury to his wife.
“I said I cut it with a carpet cutter,” he said. “And when we got to the vigil, my sister looked at him and said I had to go to the hospital.
This conversation, and many others, is revealed in a collection of tapes documenting the preparation for the trial by Gacy, Amirante and Motta.
WARNING: The following video contains graphic content and may disturb viewers. Never-before-seen recordings between John Wayne Gacy and his lawyers reveal how the Chicago entrepreneur convicted of killing 33 young men and boys casually spoke about the murder of his victims and their burial under his house.
Motta gave the tapes to her son, Bob, on his 21st birthday. Now young Motta, also a Chicago lawyer, turns them into a podcast, which paints a chilling picture of the killer and his attempts to manipulate even his own lawyers.
“It’s about three and a half hours of unedited audio, just completely graphic from Gacy,” said Bob Motta. “He had two and a half months [since his arrest] think about what to do to form some sort of defense theory in your own mind. “
Bob Motta said after admitting everything to Amirante in December, Gacy started making waffles, suggesting he didn’t remember most of the murders, that they might have been committed by others, or by his own alter ego, “Jack Hanley”.
“He was absolutely a sociopath,” said Bob Motta. “And his inability to have any kind of empathy was scary.”
This fact is clearly illustrated in a conversation between Gacy and the elder Motta, where the killer expresses little remorse for his crimes.
“Have you ever felt like God wouldn’t care if these people died because they were prostitutes or had sex for money? Motta asks.
“No, but you want to know something, I remember more than once I wanted to pray,” Gacy replies. “Don’t pray for me, but pray for them, to be such a lost soul, to be so stupid.”
On this tape, the killer suggests that the victims were responsible for their own deaths.
“Yes, there isn’t one who didn’t die … that I know of … who didn’t die by his own hand or his own fault,” Gacy said. “If you mean I tempted them, put them in temptation – yes. Because understand that, everyone who came to my house, there was never a struggle and no one was ever forced to go home. “
He adds: “Everyone came to my house voluntarily, understandably and knowing what is going to happen.”
Most of the conversations took place at Cermak Hospital in Cook County Jail, where Gacy was housed after his arrest. Bob Motta said that by not describing most of the actual murders, Gacy often “speculated” how they might have happened with his own lawyers.
“I went to bed, I was hammered, I woke up and there’s a corpse in my house,” Motta says, quoting Gacy. “So I guess I killed them, I just don’t remember killing them.”
The problem, of course, was that Gacy had already made statements not only to Amirante, but to the Des Plaines police as well. He even drew a detailed map of the crawl space, showing where the bodies were buried. But now he was changing his story for the very lawyers charged with formulating a defense.
“Gacy has always been the smartest guy in the room,” said Bob Motta. “Or that’s what he thought.”
Yet even with these deceptions, Gacy sometimes offered shocking and informal details about some of the murders.
“I fought him all the way to the bedroom, and while I was wrestling with him, that’s when I was stabbed and that’s what drove me crazy,” the killer said about of this first victim. “I think I stabbed him in the chest four or five times.”
On another tape, he recounted how he dug into the crawl space, where dozens of his victims were buried.
“[I dug] with a shovel – from the garage, “Gacy said. When asked how much room he had, the killer estimated the space to be about two feet high.
“How the hell did you dig in two feet?” asks Elder Motta.
“Well, if you dig in between the rafters, it’s 2 by 12 rafters, you get almost an extra foot,” Gacy replied. “You would have to be on your knees, and you would have to cut it with a shovel, dig with your hands.
Gacy was finally brought to justice on February 6, 1980. The jury, chosen from Rockford, found him guilty of 33 murders after less than two hours of deliberation. He was executed on May 10, 1994.
Motta’s podcast, “The Defense Diaries,” was uploaded Thursday to Apple Podcasts, Spotify and other platforms.